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jmb
November 19, 2009, 12:09am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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You can see much of the mine on the NLS aerial photos, just on the edge of the coverage.

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November 19, 2009, 1:05am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Some proper location information. The miners housing (Castle Square, etc) were around NS704588, while the shafts of the colliery were (are, hmmmm!) close to NS702586. Both areas covered with modern housing.
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I've changed the Map Sandbox content to the values given above, and placed the colliery location as the coordinates for the other map links.

In old-maps this shows it to be Bothwell Castle Colliery Pit No 1, with th e Caledonian Cottages to the north west, where the second marker lies.

If the miners had just followed the railway track to get to work, they couldn't have made any more noise walking that the locos and trucks of the time would made to disturb the sleeping gentry. Doesn't seem much point in having a tunnel under an active railway of the time.
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You are a bit out there, Captain.


Yes I was indeed. I think I was 'blinded' by the location being described on the accident report as between Uddingston and Bothwell and never bothered to consider it was within Bothwell. I'd say the 'tunnel' must have been the through and alongside the railway where it goes under the main road which would tie in with what Apollo suggested and by the looks of the locality there were miner's rows situated to the N.E. of the pit.
The old NBR line under the road line has been converted to a pedestrian path last time I looked.
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Just browsing through some of the images to see if there is anything that I could look for on modern images.  The camp in the foreground of "Dumbarton, Scotland, Sortie 540/A/417 PFFO, Frame 0394" shows nicely on Google Maps aerial view.  You can identify the bases of the various buildings seen on the 1949 image.  All gone now of course so will disappear from the next update to Google Maps.

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The original pics must have been incredibly sharp.  The Daily Record yesterday showed Colditz and you could see the prisoners wandering about.  The online pics are nowhere near as sharp nor was the one the BBC used.
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Poking around for something else, I found an article from 1999 which referred to the tunnel mentioned above, for Bothwell...

New Statesman - Fresh in from far out - Bothwell
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From 'Lanarkshire's Mining Legacy' by Guthrie Hutton




© Crown copyright: RCAHMS

An inspection of large scale OS maps at Hamilton Library would maybe identify this tunnel if it existed.
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The RCAHMS seem to have added a lot more aerial photographs to their website.

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All the ones that I have looked at so far has been recent images, not the WWII / Post-WWII series.
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They are disappointing, most are high level images and even at the resolution that you get as a subscriber they are useless for seeing any real detail.  

Many are undated.



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You must be unlucky in your choice of area.  

I had a quick scan over the Argyll and Renfrewshire pics, there are 150 of the latter and they were either WWII ,41 /2 or 1947 and few were high level pics.  They are hard to locate without a map.  I was thinking what a lot of entertainment/work.   I am always left with the feeling that they were all taken for a reason and that there must be something interesting near the centres of the WWII ones.    The 1947 ones are interesting for showing what a massivve amount of new build had been acheived in a couple of years even if many were prefabs.
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You often seem to find that low level WWII ones are taken to check camouflage etc.  

They could do with a filter system so you only see one particularly type of image marked on the map.

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I have realised what is happening with the dates, the first page you see for an image has the date then when you click on that to get the higher resolution image there is no date.
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I wish they had some system for checking their accuracy!  They have moved Renfrew into Lanarkshire!
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I wish they had some system for checking their accuracy!  They have moved Renfrew into Lanarkshire!


I think there is provision on the page for each image to add corrections / additions.  I suppose the problem is that each run could go over a number of counties and some images will show parts of more than one county.

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Renfrewshire / Renfrew?  There a clue in there somewhere.
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I looked again at the images, and you can see useful detail by using the zoomed images though it is fiddly to go through them.  Most are 1988 images, just hope they put the late 1940 images online.  It would also help if they showed the approximate date by using different coloured pins on Googe Earth.

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PS They have a KML just of the wartime camouflage pictures, these are probably the most useful.
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There is a good oblique of the tanks at Montfode.

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The second site (inland) was under construction, three tanks covered over and two still being built.

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