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greenock
October 31, 2009, 8:27pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Would anyone hazard a guess at why the air raid shelters in nthe Merino Mill Map were highlighted with a different Hue to the rest of the map.
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Apollo
October 31, 2009, 10:42pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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There's a worthwhile "fix" buried in the Help for the NLS maps, and which restores the NGR coordinates to the browser status bar.

I noticed these disappeared some time ago, but had (wrongly) assumed that the relevant writers had merely dropped the feature, but it seems now that the cause was a switch in the browsers.

The following instruction restores the figures, which can be handy for cross-referring items, or just finding the the numbers without having to fire up another application:
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The National Grid coordinates should display in the Status Bar at the base of the screen.
If they are not visible, then you need to ensure the Status Bar (under the View menu) is checked.
Then in Mozilla Firefox:

   1. type about:config in address bar
   2. set the dom.disable_window_status_change preference to false

for Internet Explorer 7:

   1. Open Internet Explorer, click the Tools button, click Internet Options, and then click the Security tab.
   2. Click Internet or Restricted sites, and then click the Custom level button.
   3. Scroll down to Allow status bar updates via script, select Enable.
   4. Click OK until you return to Internet Explorer.
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jmb
November 1, 2009, 10:47am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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The sheet covering Montfode is 1950.

NS 24 S.W. (Ayrshire)      1950       1951

The tanks must be well buried, I get the feeling that you can see a hint of the five smaller tanks near the railway.  The office(?) on the track up to the large tanks are there but the large tanks are off the edge unfortunately.  I think you can see the bund for the large tanks also.
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The Fox
November 1, 2009, 11:14am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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How did you manage to find that out?

I was looking at Bute and came across an accomodation camp at (:mlat:55.8336502(:mlon:-5.0446987(:mngr6:NS094642, now a caravan site.

Tantalisingly there is an area of cloud/ smoke nearby with what looks like a gun emplacement in the NE corner.   We don't seem to know about this, whatever it is.
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jmb
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How did you manage to find that out?

I was looking at Bute and came across an accomodation camp at (:mlat:55.8336502(:mlon:-5.0446987(:mngr6:NS094642, now a caravan site.

Tantalisingly there is an area of cloud/ smoke nearby with what looks like a gun emplacement in the NE corner.   We don't seem to know about this, whatever it is.


If you got to the aerial photo home page, there is a link for map sheet list.  That has a list of the sheets.

It can be frustrating, I can't see the runways at Prestwick just the camp to the North West.  The camp at Dundonald shows up very well.  Often the place you want to see if just off the coverage!

I was looking at Largs to see if there was any sort of camp for all the administrative staff there but they must have used the hotels in the town.  Were there some huts on the sea front just North of the present Calmac pier?  I get the impression there around the present day car park.

MB
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The Fox
November 1, 2009, 11:53am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Thanks!

Mind you this makes even less sense.  NS 46 N.E. (Renfrewshire), which is the area of the present Glasgow Airport, formerly Abbotsinch shows the area is covered with fields when we know, or at least think we know that the airfield was there during WWII and should have  been there in 1950 when it is claimed the pic was taken.  What is going on here?
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jmb
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Thanks!

Mind you this makes even less sense.  NS 46 N.E. (Renfrewshire), which is the area of the present Glasgow Airport, formerly Abbotsinch shows the area is covered with fields when we know, or at least think we know that the airfield was there during WWII and should have  been there in 1950 when it is claimed the pic was taken.  What is going on here?


Prestwick is the same either extremely good camouflage (which seems unlikely five years after the end of WWII) or something very strange with the dates.

Wasn't Abbotsinch a pre-war airfield so a few buildings should be visible even if the photos are pre-war though it would have been a grass strip.

MB
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The Fox
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The NLS maps are a bit of a shambles.   At least two of the Gourock/Greenock maps are entitled Dumbartonshire!   I hope greenock doesn't read this - he will be mortified!
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The Fox
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For those who haven't found it and I am sure most of you have, the explanation for the mysterious clouds and missing airfields etc. is on the Home page under Additional information.

Basically it was basically censorship of still active sites.   There is an example of Prestwick original pic with airfield and the doctored version with just fields.  Today with many photomanipulation programs and cut and paste this would be relatively but in the 1950s when cut and paste involved scissors and a jar of Gloy this must have been a nightmare.  That is before you lay out the fields from some pre airfield map and make them look authentic.   The clouds must have been a doddle compared to that and I suppose the smudging out even easier.
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Captain Brittles
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I  have a copy of a newspaper photo showing German Pow's bringing in the 1947 harvest. Does anybody know where were the Pow camps around Glasgow or Lanarkshire?
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Er...

I hate to point out the obvious, but:

PoW Camp Summary WW II
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Captain Brittles
November 5, 2009, 9:27pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Its my age .......................   sorry.
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Captain Brittles
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After perusing the proffered page I am concluding that the chaps in the photo were either trucked in daily from their camp or may have been lodged in a farm locally for a week or two before either moving to another area or back to camp.
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greenock
November 5, 2009, 10:29pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Sincere apologies for the confusion within the post in relation to merino mill in greenock. I referred to the map in the Scotlands places site as opposed to the mosaic site.Two great sites however the greenock 1946 photos will probably take up until Xmas to decipher the blurred detail contained within.but anyone with the time would be welcome to look at the map to see the red tinged detail of the "Shelters " next to the Merino Mill.Any eagle eyed takers out there.
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The following page mentions an instance of the PoW labour, and has a link to a more detailed story:

Secret Scotland - Blairvadach Working Camp
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Captain Brittles
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It looks like visiting Edinburgh may be the cheapest and best way of obtaining high res hard copies. Hellishly dear doing it remotely.
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jmb
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It looks like visiting Edinburgh may be the cheapest and best way of obtaining high res hard copies. Hellishly dear doing it remotely.


Your local Record Office / Archive / Planning Dept / ??? should have copies for the area though it might not be complete.

i went up to Inverness the other week to look at some, just been burning some DVDs with hopefully some of the ones that they are missing.

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Captain Brittles
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I don't see how considering they come from RCHAMS. A digital copy @ £10 a pop seems a bit dear but then RCHAMS are known to charge premium prices.
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I don't see how considering they come from RCHAMS. A digital copy @ £10 a pop seems a bit dear but then RCHAMS are known to charge premium prices.


Not sure what you mean?

The RCAHMS passed on copies to each area of Scotland, it varies who holds them.

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Captain Brittles
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Canny see that anywhere on their website JM. What I see on the RCHAMS site is prices for the images from them.
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