Welcome, Guest.
It's July 30, 2010, 12:19pm.
Please login or register.
Home Page Benchmarks and crows feet
SeSco    Secret Scotland    Civilian  ›  Benchmarks and crows feet Moderators: Admin
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 1 Guests

Benchmarks and crows feet  This thread currently has 504 views. Print Print Thread
2 Pages 1 2 » All Recommend Thread
The Fox
June 24, 2009, 9:28pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Secret
Posts: 2,463
GPO Cable Marker, age unknown, no Crown as predicted but carries government broad arrow.  This one still has one of the lead inserts which carried the distance measurement.

Enjoy jmb!

Logged Offline
Private Message Private message
See also: Wiki - Blog - Flickr group
Apollo
June 25, 2009, 10:23am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Forewarned is Forearmed
Secret
Posts: 6,490
What location?

To avoid it being confused with Rutherglen items.

Perhaps the inserts with the numbers were officially removed.

Unlike proper OS benchmarks, fixed to immovable (unless there's an earthquake) substrates, many of these chiselled markers are found on objects such as milestones and border markers, and while these may be fixed (sort of, especially in the case of borders) they are far from stable. Like the GPO post above, these can move with the land, or further if a vehicle hits them.

Unofficial markers - by which I mean those not part of Ordnance Survey - would have been temporary, and used to provide reference points during site surveys and construction works. These would have provided reliable reference points for the life of the job, but would have been discarded once the work was complete.

See also thread on Crow's foot mark
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 1 - 24
The Fox
June 25, 2009, 12:03pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Secret
Posts: 2,463
Shore Road, Innellan.  There are several of them.  I think many of the lead markers were removed by small boys in the past.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 2 - 24
jmb
June 29, 2009, 10:26pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Secret
Posts: 1,038
By chance I spotted one today in the wall of a church.

Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 3 - 24
Apollo
June 29, 2009, 11:03pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Forewarned is Forearmed
Secret
Posts: 6,490
Ah

That's one that can be recognised, an FBM or fixed bench mark. (I didn't have one to include here for comparison, so this one is very handy ).

The Rutherglen ones aren't even recorded by OS - somewhere near the start of this thread I've included their reply to a query.

(Found it, reply 10-22 above).

Actually, having read it again, I just realised they referred to the broad arrow but I didn't realise the significance back then

Still learning.
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 4 - 24
The Fox
August 5, 2009, 7:40pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Secret
Posts: 2,463
Not in Rutherglen of course but rather Dunoon and grabbed surreptitiously as it is outside a J. Arthur Rank.  I noticed it a few days ago and have never seen one anywhere else.

Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 5 - 24
jmb
August 5, 2009, 9:52pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Secret
Posts: 1,038
I suspect you will find Earth Rod covers around many commercial sites and certainly any radio towers.

MB
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 6 - 24
See also: Wiki - Blog - Flickr group
Apollo
August 6, 2009, 1:02am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Forewarned is Forearmed
Secret
Posts: 6,490
Yep...

I was surrounded by the things the other day when I happened to take a detour through some relatively recently built houses/flats.

They seemed to have gone mad with them, or maybe somebody dropped an extra 0 on the end of the quantity ordered and they just stuck them in to use them up. A different design to the above, round corners and raised squared on the cover, but there seemed to be one somewhere near the base of nearly every lamppost in the small estate.

Maybe they have a local problem with static?

You'll probably see quite a few now that you've realised they're there. Especially in and around newer builds, or if there have been recent street works.,
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 7 - 24
jmb
August 6, 2009, 6:23am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Secret
Posts: 1,038
I think it is connected with requirements for regular electrical inspections, part of that is checking the earthing.  Each earthing point is opened up and measured separately.  

MB
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 8 - 24
The Fox
August 6, 2009, 8:04am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Secret
Posts: 2,463
Despite the weed in the pic I believe this is quite recent.  The concrete looked quite pristine when I first noticed it a couple of weeks ago.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 9 - 24
Tackdriver
August 26, 2009, 5:26pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Rumour
Posts: 44
The earth rod cover shown is a relatively modern one. They are surprisingly common although often well hidden or overgrown. Especially prevalant around hazardous/explosive areas buildings or radio/radar sites. Under the cover there is a copper earth rod or rods driven into the earth until a sufficiently low earth reading is obtained. Clamped to the rod are the copper earth tapes connected to the building for lightning protection.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 10 - 24
Apollo
August 26, 2009, 9:41pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Forewarned is Forearmed
Secret
Posts: 6,490
If it's only earth tape or strapping, it will only be for earth bonding and static dissipation.

Lightning protection (we just happen to be running with this one on our Ardeer thread at the moment) will be by metal bus bars, as strapping/tape would just pop like a fuse under the first kiss of a lightning strike, and "protect" the lighting rod.

I'm not carrying any cameras at the moment, but since The Fox posted that first pic above, I seem to be coming across the things every time I go out, even newer than his as we have quite a few shopping centres and housing estates completed here in the past year or so.

Again, sorry there is no pic, which would have made the answer easier, but because I was thinking in "ground resistance mode", it took me a minute to realise why the first one I saw was marked SWL 5000 kg, while the next one upped the ante by having SWL 6000 kg marked on its cover.

The answer is obvious, and no doubt down to our old pal, Elfin Safety.

(If you're stuck, just ask, it's not a secret).
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 11 - 24
Tackdriver
August 26, 2009, 9:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Rumour
Posts: 44
I can assure you that lightning protection is provided by copper tape. It will not pop (under most circumstances) like a fuse provided the lightning protection system has a sufficient number of paths and sufficiently low resistance value to earth (typically less than 5-10 ohms). My job involves the testing of such protection systems in explosive and hazardous areas.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 12 - 24
See also: Wiki - Blog - Flickr group
The Fox
August 26, 2009, 11:12pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Secret
Posts: 2,463
The one I photographed seems to be a major earth to something in the building.  It certainly is not attached to a lightning conductor.  The company is based in Edinburgh and is known to be generous on the pension front.  I assumed it was some kind of protection for their computers.  I am sure  it hasn't been there all that long.  My attention was drawn to it a few weeks before the pic when I noticed the bright white concrete lid.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 13 - 24
Apollo
August 26, 2009, 11:12pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Forewarned is Forearmed
Secret
Posts: 6,490
Ah, sorry, I did not register the use of the plural tapes in the original note, and fell into a mental picture of the earth bonding used around antenna bases in days gone by.

Of course, using multiple earthing distributed among thin(ner) straps will do the job just as well as the older system, and provides redundancy into the bargain.

The Edinburgh earth rod as seen by The Fox is part of the building's electrical supply and distribution system, and not related to lighting protection.

Although the ultimate operation and function of the earth rod is the same, where it is and what it does will vary by site and location, and it should be fairly obvious if it is for lighting protection or distribution.

Worth adding that the newer earth rod covers, with the SWL rating, appear to be plastic. I'm afraid they were in busy shopping areas though, so I didn't feel like attracting a collar-feeling session from security, so didn't start giving them a closer inspection.

I don't know if it was the same sort of cover, but I saw some workmen struggle with a nearby cover a few years back. Their proper hand tools wouldn't move it, so the brought over one of those tiny diggers - the ones that a man can just about fit inside - and used it to lift the cover by tying the tool to its arm...

Unfortunately, it remained jammed in place within its surrounding frame, which the little digger managed to lift with ease, together with all the block paving for about a metre around the thing, leaving a gaping hole where the original cover once only occupied a space of about two blocks. You're right - I didn't have a camera back then. It would have made a great video too.
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 14 - 24
Apollo
January 1, 2010, 1:38am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Forewarned is Forearmed
Secret
Posts: 6,490
I thought I had better keep the camera "warm" as it is months since I used it/them, and stuck it in my pocket when I headed to the shops this afternoon, on the last day of 2009.

As the pavements are all but non-gritted in the east end of Glasgow, I spent a lot of time looking at the ground, and happened to notice one of a series of surveyor's benchmarks I had spotted earlier this year, which are on the walls of some Victorian villas nearby. I only saw the one, although I recall that more were evident when I first spotted them. I'll have to go back in better weather - maybe even walk the whole road and see if there are many more to be caught one day.

Looks as if the dogs think these are target markers

Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 15 - 24
Captain Brittles
January 1, 2010, 10:30pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Secret
Posts: 1,322
Ground floor level of red sandstone tenement block (canny see ye going into somebody's garden Apollo) looks as if the discolouration might be the result of many years of canine familiarity  

York Terrace per chance?
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 16 - 24
Apollo
January 1, 2010, 11:23pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Forewarned is Forearmed
Secret
Posts: 6,490


It is actually somebody's garden, on the Hammy Road, but on the roadside.

I actually attribute the black corner to industrial era soot that wasn't cleaned off by a shoddy stonecleaning job on the sandstone - I think there are quite a few similar examples to be found.

Can you home in on the York Terrace you have in mind?

It seems to ring a bell, but I can't place it on any online maps, which don't seem to find any in Glasgow! (Assuming I'm not confusing the name with something similar of course).
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 17 - 24
Apollo
January 11, 2010, 1:45am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Forewarned is Forearmed
Secret
Posts: 6,490
Another mark made an appearance, obviously used as a seat by some gnomes that mugged some poor punter out celebrating Hogmanay.

There would have been a replaceble metal insert with the number of feet, but it's clearly long gone.

Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 18 - 24
See also: Wiki - Blog - Flickr group
The Fox
January 11, 2010, 9:52am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Secret
Posts: 2,463
It looks like K9P is very corrosive on concrete.  Is that why the Red Road flats are to come down - too many dogs?
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 19 - 24
2 Pages 1 2 » All Recommend Thread
Print Print Thread

SeSco    Secret Scotland    Civilian  ›  Benchmarks and crows feet

Thread Tags