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If you see, or think, anything looks horrible, or is difficult to read at any point, then do drop a note in the Forum thread.

Whose nicked all the furniture ?

Looking a bit spartan  

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Help !!  

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Where's the signing out button ??

Never use it .................. but what happened to the template ?

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I've changed the default theme to one of the standard offerings that comes with the forum.

Primarily, this is to get access to the new code that is written into the template and css files, but it's also a bit of a motivator for me to get in there sometime and customise to my own liking sooner rather than later.

If you see, or think, anything looks horrible, or is difficult to read at any point, then do drop a note in the Forum thread.

Admin posted this earlier.

Daggy, the signing out button (Logout) is still the last on right of the menubar at the top middle of the forum.

Once I've deconstructed the template and css files, I'll be able to get the furniture (and a similar-to-original) colour scheme slotted in.

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Daggy, the signing out button (Logout) is still the last on right of the menubar at the top middle of the forum.

No it isn't  

On my screen I don't even have a menubar  

While not wishing to 'Wind you up', I'm afraid the problem is at your end, as the forum is fine on a number of other PCs (not to mention another 760 that have been upgraded since Jan 1st. without raising the omission of a menubar as an issue). The coding is also XHTML 1.1 and CSS compliant checked, as per the buttons at the foot.

Offhand, I can't think of any obvious browser or PC settings that would selectively knock-out only a portion of the page - that seems distinctly odd.

We need a screen grab (or a pic) of the screen before and after login so we can see what you're seeing, and if necessary pass on to the author.

Also, do you have the option to use both Firefox and IE (need to ask which version, 6 or 7) to see of there is any difference in their handling?

(think)

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I'm afraid the problem is at your end

Everything was fine until this change with the Template, so I don't agree that the problem is at my end. I can't 'Log out' after logging in due to this change, unless I am missing something (apart from a Menu Bar and the facility to log out) ?

It's a logic/internet thing, nothing personal

If it wasn't at your end, it would be affecting everyone, since it would be being caused by the same code that's being served to everyone's browser. The server provides the same code to everyone that accesses the site, the only difference is the settings (or even type in some cases) of the browser, and how it processes that code.

From your screenshot, the browser is not following the pathing to the style sheet directory for some reason. No wonder you think it all looks a bit odd

I had this myself a while back, but I'm stuffed if I can remember how I fixed it.

Like yourself, I was left giving it the old headscratching as to "WHY ME!!!"

Unfortunately, I just forgot about as soon as I'd fixed the cause, never expecting to come across it again (or foolishly expecting the symptom to trigger my memory - no there's a REAL error!).

It might be something really obscure, like a security feature in an antivirus program that doesn't allow certain paths to be followed - can you temporarily disable your AV just to confirm or otherwise?

There's no change in the directory structure (or any of the directories or file locations for that matter) that the forum/style files use, so there's no real reason why any of the above should actually matter, but need to try anything to see if anything has an effect.

One odd thought: do you clear your cookies? Clear them once manually, just in case.

One thought, have you ever selected a Theme manually?

This is found in Member Centre -> Language and Theme.

The correct theme is X Secret if this option is available for you to choose.

It shouldn't be, but I think it was left enabled when we were playing about with the appearance way back at the start - you may have a non-existent or non-functional them selected. Again, X Secret is the preferred option.

Let me know if any of the above makes any sort of difference, and we'll see what's next.

(pray)

I should have said:

Check the Theme setting first!

It's the most likely, although it came as the last thought.

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I should have said:

Check the Theme setting first!

It's the most likely, although it came as the last thought.

Now your talking - the setting I found I had been 'changed' to was 'secret white'. Perhaps a good idea to issue a warning when future changes take place that this is the first place to look if there is anything untoward. Or shall we keep it secret  

We aim to please (even if Tommy Sheridan now wants to try and win some friends by campaigning to ban airguns so we can't practice offline).

No 'Nanny State' in SS

Warning wouldn't really do any good - the default scheme is there from the start, and only gets changed if someone selects another (haven't quite got the remotely-loaded software to take over your PCs running yet) inside their profile. Wouldn't make sense to those who didn't know about changing themes either.

Now that I know the folk that matter are ok, the option to select themes has been removed, since we don't really have it to offer anyway.

Anyway... another good example of a 'picture being worth a thousand words'. The original symptom of the aberrant logout option didn't convey the magnitude of the actual suffering. Don't think we'd ever have got to the source this year by words alone.

I do not want to add to your worries but I will!  Since the change/ update or whatever I am losing the  righthand part of the screen unless I opt for the full monty.  I also do not seem to be able to see all the recent messages. As an example, I have only tripped over this correspondence this evening. I missed all that follows from Daggy asking about the on/off button or whatever.

The Fox: one easy, one hard

Kids nowadays! I'm afraid the screen width thing is down to the developer. I don't agree with his choice to design down to a minimum user screen width of 1024 pixels, but that's his choice at the end of the day and we have to live with it. I'm sure older programmers would side with me, and continue to work to 800 pixels as the minimum user width, even it is becoming less common. I still work to it just for readability of those with vision problems, although it can be a hassle sometimes as most tools are also tending to leave 800 px behind too.

The good news is, providing the elements on the page allow it, I will be altering the css to allow the screen width to go below 1024 without kicking in the need for horizontal scrolling.

Regarding the recent messages, I don't know about this one yet.

I was seeing this on the old version, and wanted to see how the new one performed. As the question hasn't been raised in general, again, I suspect there may be some local issue. For example, I haven't had a problem seeing Daggy's recent posts, but you have, so that tends to suggest something external to the forum. Unlike Daggy's visual problem though, nothing obvious jumps out that can be set locally to affect message readability.

At the moment, all I can suggest is that I'd appreciate reports from everyone that suffers an absence of recent posts being reported.

Unfortunately, this isn't immediately obvious, and you only know it's happened when you read a thread, and realise the most recent posts is a stranger to you when you read something new!

Thanks in advance.

Took slightly more than the proverbial '2 minutes' to figure out the reason for the increased minimum width, and I have to confess to slightly maligning our generous provider, as the reason is simply a consequence of one of the facilities offered, namely the Quick Reply option at the foot of the page. Now that it carries the full complement of editing options, its content determines the minimum width the forum will reduce to before horizontal scrolling kicks in. It always did, as I noted, I just hadn't looked at the reason as it kicked in later with less option on offer.

Not much I can do about it really. I could knock off the 3 buttons on the end, I'm sure nobody would miss them (has anyone ever used these buttons, and I don't just mean in this forum), but it would make much odds, and as a code customisation, it would be lost whenever the source was updated, so it's not really worth the effort.

Running Firefox, and now that IE7 crawling up behind it and offering tabbed browsing, the width issue has become less of an issue. With tabbed apps, the need to have various browser windows scattered about is much reduced. I run everything full screen anyway now, and just flick between apps (or tabs).

Quick Reply convenience wins in this case.



If only the absent recent posts could be so easy.

I suppose the question I meant to ask is why does the forum always come up on the reduced size. How do I get it supersized all the time without having to select it at the top of the screen?  Mind you it is not just the Forum all overlays come up at this size.

That's a lot tougher to diagnose from a distance - hands on your PC would probably make it simpler. However...

The majority of Windows applications will start up at whatever screen size they were closed down in: Full screen will start up as full screen next time, ditto for reduced applications. This means that if it was windowed (not full screen) while you were using it, and you shut it down when windowed, it will be windowed the next time you start it up.

If you want to start up full screen, you have to shut down in full screen also.

This doesn't hold true for applications that have an option to allow the user to choose whether to start up full screen or windowed though, and whether or not this setting takes precedence depends on the selected option, if it's available.

I don't use IE7, but need to have it, and I've tried the above to confirm. Whatever size it is, and wherever it was open on the screen if windowed, that's where it starts up the next time I fire it up.

Rather than ramble on, better for you to check what happens when you close down and restart apps full screen and windowed, and see if that's all it is, or if you're getting a different pattern of behaviour.