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Apollo
May 27, 2008, 1:54am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I've modified the initial content to show map markers and jumps, so we can see where the stations were located.

As many of these sites are located on coastal or island sites, the map is defaulted to satellite view, as the graphical map view is not designed to be accurate with regard to the land/sea boundary, which is not precisely defined anyway.

Most of the markers are fine, but there are a few lost souls that need recovery, if possible.

Hopefully just finger trouble with regard to their grid refs, and they can be corrected from source.

On this occasion at least, I can say "It wasn't me" since all I did find & replace & cut & paste
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May 27, 2008, 12:25pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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There is some mildly experimental reference coding being played with in this page, as the variation in information available seemed to provide an opportunity to throw in some meaningful test in a real-life situation.

In other words, don't get hung up on the referencing, the info is real, but the method of making the reference is volatile, and may change repeatedly, and even disappear altogether.

The reason for this that the while it works, there are two version of the code, both work differently (although they are compatible), and both offer advantage missing in the other, and there is one major deficiency in one of them - in my opinion. So there is quite a bit of fiddling before I can understand the work, if I can combine the bits I want, and if I can add the one missing feature.
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the_historian
May 27, 2008, 2:37pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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That's the last time I take DoB data on face value.  
I've tidied up my own mistakes, but the rest seem to be errors at source. I'll have a proper scour later.
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You have the radar summary page back to play with.

There were a number of disagreements in the locations, of which I sorted the obvious, but without the original list can't do anything to correct since I don't know what the intended figures are.

I've listed the one's I spotted variations in below:

llVgm HY76145 :) link='51 Whale Head, Orkney. HY961735
llVgm NC418675 :) link='57 Sango, Highland. HC417675
11Vgm HU352862 :) link='Gin Head. NT351862                      (I've changed the 11Vgm to llVgm already)
llVgm NT158793 :) link='Forth, South Lanarkshire. NS158793

60 North Cairn, Dumfries & Galloway. Had so many changes back and forth, I just included it for a double check with fresh eyes.

(Please continue to ignore the 'References' here for the moment - they're still only semi-genuine for testing. I have largely settled on the code and format. It only allows single references, meaning that say, a dozen references to the same source will result in a dozen reference entries - ideally the source should only be listed once. Unfortunately, doing this clever referencing means that links to external reference documents don't work, and I think having working urls to external docs and sites is more useful. Plus, the clever references didn't remember where each of the multiple references originated in the text, and all took the reader back to the first occurrence. Adding this flaw to the lack of live links meant it would have been an ongoing irritant. At least the single links seem to work with no bugs.)
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the_historian
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Cheers, I'll go back over the original sheets myself later.
I took them direct from the DoB so there could well be errors in transcription, but there were a few which seemed to defy any  remedial attempts.
The problem is that Colin Dobinson's book Building Radar has still not seen the light of day; I've had it on order since November 2006 and it keeps being put back because of his TA commitments. I know his book on AA Command contained quite a few errors in NGRs, but I'm hoping this one is more or less perfect!
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I have had AA Command on order for about a year.  I believe that this will be a new edition.  I read somewhere on the web that he had been held up by illness.  I emailed English Heritage to ask when they hoped to publish it but have not had any info so far.  I saw second hand copies of the hardback selling for £120!
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I was really only looking for a check on the listed items, where the is a difference between the ngr value entered for the marker, and the value in the link description.

I had a look at a huge data file I have with all the wartime locations summarised from all the books, but the radar section was never finished, and only has a few Western Isles sites, so wouldn't help, possibly adding some more confusion. That said, once the current spots are stable, I'll go back into it and have a closer look at it, as it may have unlisted sites and alternative locations. I think there may be a new name or two, but I can't access it at the moment.
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I just checked Methuen's website, and apparently the publication date for Building Radar has been put back again- to July. I'm beginning to wonder if it's ever going to see the light of day.  
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I've tracked down three of the four locations queried above, and will get round to inserting suitable grid refs later.

I found a problem with the fourth (oddly, located in Forth):

llVgm NT158793 :) link='Forth, South Lanarkshire. NS158793

The NT prefix lands in the Firth of Forth area, Dalmeny specifically if using the numbers.

The NS prefix lands to the west of Hunter's Quay, or Dunoon for those less familiar with the area.

Clearly neither are near Forth in Lanarkshire, which happens to be an area I know (and have even waded in the mud therein).

I took a hunt through the RCAHMS records for much of the area, but there's nothing remotely connected with radar listed, so Forth is crying out for some attention.
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Just to confirm (and so that I could take it off the list of things "ToDo" and reduce its oppressive length a little) that I've removed the the map point(s) relating to the Forth, Lanarkshire radar station.

The station is still in the list of course, and as an experimental station there may not be anything more forthcoming, and nothing in the standard records like RCAHMS, but I've left the grid ref in the Notes section, even though they don't offer anything useful regarding the location, they may still spark off some revelation for someone at a later date.
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Also RAF Carsaig on Mull.  Like many CHLs it was only open for a short time.  It was in the grounds of Inniemore Lodge(?) down in the village, there is a small building just outside the gateway.  Also the old engine house down the road which has been converted into a house.  

One report said there was another site above Carsaig around NM 531 226, there are some concrete bases there but other locals say there was nothing there during the war.  It would be interesting to check out the aerial photographs sometime.

The one site that I have never been able to find anything about is near Portmahomack, there are several buildings at NH 927 859 and the farmer says there was a "bunker" on top of the hill.  He probably means a solid concrete building but he cleared it away years ago.  There is no record of radar there so more likely Comms or Nav but no one knows anything about the site!  (This is not the present police/utility radio site, it is past there).



You have Carsaig but have mis-spelt as Caraig which is why I did not spot it!

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