After years of debate, it would seem that one of the Old Faithfull's of the church of forgotten and lost causes is now to leave us.
Having been bashed, battered, sunk and towed, the Carrick is finally to be broken up (or 'deconstructed') after languishing for 10 years on an Irvine slip.
Note the comment from 'brave' council insider, now that the decision has been made. He's the short that should be taken out at dawn, and have his salary cut off:
I did attend a wedding on board, when she was moored at the bottom of Stockwell Street on Clyde Street. It was nice enough, and a just a little bit different. It also had the memorable option of a sloping floor, not so much that it caused problems, just enough to make things interesting.
The whole exercise has been an absolute farce since she sank and was successfully recovered. Instead of being allowed to keep trying for a restoration, with a crazy £10 million price tag, they should have gone for a preservation and stabilisation program for the remains, and we'd still have had them to go along with the history and make a fine exhibit in the new Glasgow Museum of Transport. As it is, there won't even be matchwood
News item shows just how far she's decayed since the Clyde's attempts to claim her.
Looking at the explanation of the 'deconstruction', I still think they made an utter and complete mess of this, and should have aimed to preserve what they had, using it for research to provide info about construction methods of the period by selective dismantling and preservation. That way, the Maritime Museum could have had an interesting exhibit with a history, and ofr a lot less than £10 million I'll bet.
The Carrick, or City of Adelaide, still doesn't seem to be wanting to go without a fight...
Another 'last-ditch' effort is underway to keep the remaining pieces together, this time from south of the border by the good folk of Sunderland, where the vessel was originally built in 1864.
They're said to be trying for £1.5 million to save the clipper, presently scheduled for 'deconstruction'.
Despite the original title given to the thread, the Carrick, or 'City of Adelaide' if you prefer, refuses to lie down and die, which must mean something.
AIn what could prove to be a final effort is being made, South Australia’s own Clipper Ship "City of Adelaide" Preservation Trust is to develop a viable plan to relocate the ship. The Trust has a business plan in place, and a campaig to bring the vessel back to Port Adelaide. Public support will be vital to their success. From a historical, educational and tourism perspective, there is believed to be a valid case for preserving the remains for the benefit of future generations. A public meeting is being held on Tuesday, November 20, 2007, at Semaphore Masonic Hall, 66 Semaphore Road, Semaphore, South Australia.
It's two years since the last post regarding the Carrick, or City of Adelaide, but the story is still rumbling along.
A protester has occupied the remains of the world's oldest surviving clipper ship which is scheduled for demolition at the Scottish Maritime Museum, which was given permission to demolish the remains in 1992 because it did not have the money to restore it.
He wants to raise funds to take the remains back to Sunderland, and carry out a restoration estimated at £20 million.
He has a looooooong road ahead of him, while it's undoubtedly popular, it doesn't seem to attract active support or sponsors, and he will have a sore back after pushing the pieces almost 200 miles on his own. The trip would probably destroy it now, as the vibration will cause it to fall apart:
I remember once being in the Scottish Maritime Museum in Irvine and talking to the person in charge there. To say I was disgusted with some of the attitudes shown there would be an understatement. At this time there were still two derelict gunboats sitting in Troon, Cairnryan was still being used to break up military ships. I remember asking if any of the gunboats would be saved, or indeed any part of the military vessels being broken up (I think Bulwark was still there). The attitude was that there was no way in hell any military vessel would be part of the Maritime Museum while she was in charge.
Like it or not, the military, domestic and foreign has been a large part of Scotlands shipbuilding industry, not to mention all the operations during the wars like Scapa Flow, the Clyde Estuary and so on. Just because one person seems to have a dislike of the military, their opinions shouldn't be factored into something like this.
Just because one person seems to have a dislike of the military, their opinions shouldn't be factored into something like this.
Unfortunately in my line of work there has been a paradigm shift to the looney left where views such as this are accepted as hegemony. It is then a common assumption that society as a whole shares this hegemony and anyone who dares show an alternative is caste asside and branded an "exrtremest". Ironic as I'd view that as extrmest in itself!
I am I may add a dyed in the wood socialist (a pigeon among the cats here eh? ) but with a philosophy based upon praxis and real life experiences; not the pretentious looney left views of some left wing lentil loving vegemite liberal straight out of uni without getting their hands dirty in the real world of experience if you get my drift brothers and sisters?
I am of course saving for my capatilistic retirement to Fidels estate of Cuba for the best of both worlds! pmsl
While I have my reason for finding such supposedly "clever" phrases intensely irritating, the following did spring to mind as being somewhat appropriate in this particular case:
Fail to plan - plan to fail.
While I admit to thinking this particular stunt wasn't going to achieve anything (bar the appropriate publicity) I didn't quite expect it to crash and burn quite so fast.
As you will recall, Peter Maddison, a councillor from Sunderland, occupied the 19th Century Carrick (or City of Adelaide) and told BBC Scotland: "I've set up camp in the forecastle on the City of Adelaide. I will be staying onboard, hoping to get sufficient attention nationally, and perhaps even worldwide, so that we can prevent the breaking up of this wonderful clipper ship."
He's given up the occupation after only four days, and didn't really even make the remainder of the the week, which was his stated intention - he ran out of drinking water!
The Scottish Maritime Museum still says it intends to demolish the ship because it cannot afford restoration work on the ship, which has been quietly rotting away on the quayside in Irvine since 1992.
Mr Maddison, chairman of the Sunderland City of Adelaide Recovery Foundation (SCARF), said he hoped the vessel could be taken back to its home port.
Funny, even after all this time I still think the spot it occupied on the Clyde looks bare without it - even if it was just a club and function suite for a select few (and I did even manage to attend an event there before it sank again - even so, it had a definite list).
The news report indicated that the slip she lies is wanted - given the amount of land around the area, which is clear, you would think they could just dump it somewhere nearby and still let visitors gawp at the remains, just to have it as an attraction.
It's surely well-known enough to do that and earn a few pennies at the museum door at £3.50 a head, since it's a registered charity and not a national free-entry type museum.
The actions of the lone protester may have been influential in hastening the despatch of the the Carrick's remains.
The maritime museum has issued a request for tenders for the demolition of the remains - and I wouldn't rule out that this has been spurred on by the recent occupation, and the museum's desire to prevent a repeat, possibly on a larger scale after his example.
If anyone's interested, at least the ticking clock will bring them out, otherwise, I reckon all he's done is speed up that ticking clock, and shortened the final deadline.
Next year is the 40th anniversary of the return of SS Great Britain to Bristol after being brought from the other side of the world. It is hard to understand why this vessel cannot be moved to somewhere where it will be properly looked after.
The 'City of Adelaide' sits on a slipway in Scotland. The Scottish Maritime Museum, which owns the ship, has been served with a notice to remove it. With few options available to them, and mounting lease costs, they have applied for demolition which has been approved. The formal process has commenced and tenders for demolition of the 'City of Adelaide' are being called in a few months. The Scottish authorities have lifted the A-listed heritage status that previously protected the clipper.
We intend to make an offer for the clipper for return to South Australia in time for South Australia's 175th Jubilee in 2011. Our goal is preservation rather than restoration; preservation being a far cheaper option. The 'Edwin Fox' museum in New Zealand is a good role model and example of a similar sized ship that has been preserved rather than restored.
The City of Adelaide is:
* one of only two surviving sailing ships to carry emigrants from the British Isles to any destination in the world - the other is the Edwin Fox. * the only surviving sailing ship that gave regular service between Europe and Australia. * is the only survivor of the timber trade from North America to UK. * one of only two surviving composite clipper ships in the world - the Cutty Sark is the other. * is the world’s oldest clipper ship being nearly six years older than the Cutty Sark.
The trouble seems to be that there is no "celebrity" or famous historic date or event that can be used to make the City of Adelaide "kewl", and the few that have an interest without this attraction are simply insufficient in terms of both influence and financial clout to make an impact.
They would need to have got a real star of some sort to associate themselves with the project, and let their name be associated with, or as a poor alternative, some "celebrity" sailing on their five-minutes-of-fame from a TV talen(less) show, and who still has their face favoured by the tabloids.
It just doesn't have any headline-grabbing charisma, and a thirsty old solo councillor that no-one had ever heard of (and who couldn't even remember to stick a fw bottles of water in his pockets) wasn't going to serve as a suitable substitute.
They need to find something like one of Paris Hilton's old tapes stick between the decks, or some of Brittney's hair stuck in a door frame, or some other sort of artefact linking it to something kewl
I may be writing tongue in cheek, but the saddest part is I'm also probably not too far of the mark nowadays
I'd kind of hoped someone might have thrown in the information, but I think I'll have to raise a query
If you look at the wording of the story about the demolition of the City of Adelaide and the tenders for demolition, you may notice that the reason for this is not down to the Maritime Museum finally getting rid of the remains, but because it has been served with a notice to remove it.
I've also read elsewhere that the slipway it occupies is now needed.
Whatever the case, it would be nice if someone could trawl up some details behind the serving of this notice to remove, and why the remains can't just be left to rot in peace. It may not be desirable from the preservation point of view, but it doesn't seem right that the museum can't just leave it on its own grounds, with the cost of a fence to keep people from getting too close (it doesn't really matter if any vandals climb over it and get killed on it, that's just Darwin and natural selection doing their thing).
Who served the notice to remove, why, and on what authority?
(Yes, I have had a look, but came up empty this time. Every search just end up on the Australian site.)
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(a pigeon among the cats here eh? 
) but with a philosophy based upon praxis and real life experiences; not the pretentious looney left views of some left wing lentil loving vegemite liberal straight out of uni without getting their hands dirty in the real world of experience if you get my drift brothers and sisters?
